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Emblems, clear coat on recycled parts, urethane glass: 5 more tips from the DEG

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The Database Enhancement Gateway, which allows repairers and insurers to make inquiries and suggestions of the Big 3 estimating providers at no cost, was augmented in 2015 to offer weekly tips for repairers on the AudatexMitchell and CCC programs online and through the Society of Collision Repair Specialists’ email list.

If you haven’t used the free service before to submit questions about estimating collision repair work or just browse responses to other carrier and shop questions, check it out. It’s a good way to find IP best practices and help write the most accurate estimates or appraisals possible.

Here’s some areas spotlighted as tip-worthy by the DEG. To receive the tips as soon as DEG releases them, like/follow the DEG’s Facebook and Twitter feeds. (It also posts videos to a YouTube channel once in a while.) Or just browse the more than 10,000 inquiries and responses in the database and see what else you learn.

Mitchell, CCC, Audatex: Emblems on aftermarket parts

Because of copyright restrictions, aftermarket part manufacturers can’t put OEM emblems and badges on their copies, according to the DEG. Therefore, you have to apply the logos yourselves — and manually enter them in the databases as well, the DEG wrote in April.

“OEM parts will typically come as an assembly or available to purchase separately,” the DEG  wrote. “The estimating system may not allow you to select the additional part to be added if this is sold as an assembly from the OEM. This will require a manual entry or may want to consider using a complete assembly part from the OEM.”

The DEG also advised checking the aftermarket part’s badge or emblem location.

“They may not be identical to the OEM design,” it wrote.

Mitchell: Quarter panels and urethane glass

The DEG in March cited Mitchell’s instructions for dealing with quarter panels with undamaged urethane glass — something that is not factored into Mitchell’s quarter panel times.

“Procedure Number 20 includes removal of damaged urethane set glass and replacement with new glass,” Mitchell wrote in its P-pages. “The Procedure does not include allowances for necessary precautionary measures to remove undamaged urethane set glass, nor clean up of the old adhesive on the glass. If the existing urethane set glass is undamaged and will be reused, the labor time difference between the glass R&R and R&I represents the not included allowance.” (Emphasis Mitchell’s.)

Mitchell gives the example of a quarter panel allowance with a back glass R&R of 2.0 hours but an R&I of the back glass would be 2.3 hours.

“The difference of .3 hr. between Back Glass R&R (2.0 hr.) and R&I (2.3 hr.) has not been factored into the Quarter Panel allowance,” Mitchell wrote in the example.

The DEG noted that you can select the additional labor by using “Add to R&R” in the part selection menu.

CCC: Handling R&I of fan blades, motors individually

The DEG in April reported that a March inquiry about a 2017 Honda CR-V EX had revealed a hole in the system related to fan blades and motors.


Removing and installing the fan blades and motors after the shrouds were removed was necessary, the user argued. They suggested that R&I blades and motors shouldn’t be part of the R&I shroud time.

“R&I Fan motor, and R&I Fan blade is included in the R&I Shroud as an assy labor time,” CCC replied. “All parts are only being removed as one unit, so time is 0.4.

“The only way CCC and MOTOR can currently support additional time is for the user to select R&R Cooling shroud, zero out the price in the estimate, then R&R the Fan motor, and Fan blade to receive 0.6 total. The labor time allowed to R&R Radiator takes into account the time for the Cooling shroud assembly.”

CCC wrote that an estimator might have to manually adjust the times “to support the difference in time between R&R and R&I of a part based on an included operation in a footnote.”

It also updated its database to show the fan blade and motor are included as part of an assembly in the R&I shroud operation.

“When having to replace an individual component of the cooling fan, the part may come up as included or with a standalone time which may also include another component of the cooling fan part,” the DEG wrote. “If this occurs, the estimator would need to make manual line consideration for additional labor times.

“Always refer to the part selection footnotes and the (MOTOR) Guide to ensure labor is being assigned correctly.”

CCC: Clear coat on recycled parts

CCC doesn’t handle new and recycled parts the same way with regards to clear coat, the DEG reported in April.

“When a ‘recy’ fender is being used, The user must manually add time for the inner panel,” a user wrote in an April inquiry about a 2015 Chevrolet K2500. “This should be automatically added option like the NEW part option when selected. Second issue is when you add labor for “Edges” and “inner panel” the line properties does not give an option to add clear coat to the inner edges/ inner panel like the NEW part selection would allow for. Why cant the system give a add for clear coat prompt when refinishing edges/ inner panels for for the recy part for thisvehicle? The user will always have to go to the line properties and check the box.”

For now, manual was one’s only option, CCC replied, but it would try and work on its handling of recycled parts or assemblies.

CCC’s collision-estimating tools contain limited automated logic support when recycled parts or assemblies are used,” CCC wrote. “All of CCC’s tools include MOTOR’s RACED database so the estimator has all of the necessary information, and can make the appropriate manual adjustments. CCC will be implementing additional logic in future product releases.”

“DEG encourages users to manually enter the missing refinish labor associated for edges and insides if applicable for that specific repair needs,” the DEG wrote.

It referred users to the clear coat formula in the CCC P-pages, which involves adding 40 percent to the first major panel’s refinish time and 20 percent to any other panel — with a max time of 2.5 hours.

“Note that 2.5 clear coat cap is for ONE continuous application and booth cycle,” the DEG wrote. “If multiple booth cycles are needed for repairs, the clear coat cap would start over and this would need to be a manual consideration.”

It also asked users who find a similar discrepancy to post an inquiry.

ASA not-included chart

Repairers and insurers can make use of the Automotive Service Association’s free “Reference Chart of ‘Not-Included’ Operations When Installing New Replacement Parts,” the DEG noted in April.

“This chart gives users a quick reference between all three information providers’ not included operations broken down by component category,” the DEG wrote. However, the DEG also called it “important to note, this is not a substitute” for the actual AudatexMitchell and CCC P-pages.

The ASA also has one for “LKQ” parts that’s free as well, as well as a free discussion of extra refinishing steps needed under a variety of circumstances.

Another good free trade group resource in this vein is the Society of Collision Repair Specialists’ Guide to Complete Repair Planning.

Have a question?

Have a question about AudaExplore, Mitchell or CCC? Submit inquiries to the DEG here. Inquiries, like answers, are free.

More information:

Database Enhancement Gateway homepage

DEG inquiry database


Database Enhancement Gateway Administrator Danny Gredinberg speaks during an April 10, 2018, Society of Collision Repair Specialists open board meeting. (John Huetter/Repairer Driven News)

The DEG in March cited Mitchell’s instructions for dealing with quarter panels with undamaged urethane glass — something that is not factored into Mitchell’s quarter panel times. The DEG noted that you can select the additional labor by using “Add to R&R” in the part selection menu. (Mitchell screenshot provided by the Database Enhancement Gateway)

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